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Showing posts with label 4 string dulcimer. Show all posts

Tuesday, July 1, 2025

Dulcimores for sale!

 I'm firing up the blog once again.
Whenever I have a new Dulcimore for sale I'll post it here.
I've grown weary of Social Media so I'll use my blog as a first for sale place.
After 2 weeks of being advertised here, I'll move the item for sale to Etsy or Ebay.

Thanks for stopping by! I'll be attempting to get back to adding more content in the future.


Saturday, March 28, 2020

The Signature Virginian

Signature Virginian:
$450 No options other than wood choice, or Equal Temperament.
Signature Virginian: 24 inch vsl.
4 string.
Approximately 39 inches long. 7 inches wide. 2 inch tall sides.
Standard tuning: 4-string= dddd.
Pythagorean Temperament.
1-1/8 inch wide fretboard with half width staple frets to be played Noter/drone or fingerdance only.


A couple months ago my friend Sam suggested I should make a Signature Dulcimore.

To be honest, I didn't really know what a Signature Dulcimore should be?
I floated the idea around and discussed it with a couple others. Then realized a Signature model should be what I want in a dulcimore.
And, I decided since I mainly build Virginia style Dulcimores my Signature model should be a Virginia style Dulcimore.

As some of you know a while back I began making a modified Boss Torc I called the Virginian. I've just built my last Boss Torc Virginian in favor of the new Signature Virginian.

Some of the features of the new Signature Virginian will be:
A new design peghead that uses wood tuning pegs and of course it will have scroll buttons like many old Virginia dulcimores had instead of a carved fiddle style peghead, but it will have a slight amount of carving.
A metal tailpiece string anchor.
Diamond inlay in the fretboard.
Fiddle edge sides.
D-style tailpiece.
4 string unison tuning.
Pythagorean Temperament fret layout standard. Optional Equal Temperament.
2 inch tall sides.
24 inch vsl on a 30 inch long body.
NO feet! I don't personally like feet on a dulcimore, so the Signature Virginian won't have them. Remember, this is what I want in a dulcimore!

Photos of the Signature Virginian #1:














Another Signature Virginian.
Black Walnut and Curly Red Maple.
Equal Temperament.
You'll notice this one has a different metal plate for the string anchor. I wasn't satisfied with the lack of down pressure of the strings on the bridge of the first version.









Thursday, October 31, 2019

Reviews and news!

I love getting feedback and reviews about my dulcimores!
That being said, if you have a review, good or bad, please feel free to send it to me and I'll post it here.
Good reviews encourage me, and not so good reviews help me concentrate on things I need to do to make my dulcimores better!

The reviews will be near the top of this post. News will be toward the bottom.

Thank you to all the great folks that have bought my dulcimores over the years!
Bobby.

Review from GG:
Bobby,
The hogfiddle arrived safely this morning. It is beautiful in both appearance and sound. The craftsmanship is top-notch, and it has that silvery sound associated with traditional dulcimers. I am glad I went with curly maple and butternut. They look beautiful together, and the dark contrast of the walnut tuning pegs contributes to the over-all appearance. Thanks again for making me such a wonderful instrument. It will bring me many hours of enjoyment. All the best!


Review from KR:
My Honaker style dulcimore arrived today safe and sound. I was working so my lovely wife sent me a picture of it in it's packing box so I could see that it arrived. Also, I think to also rub it in that I was working and couldn't see it or touch it yet. Then I had to anxiously await the time I could get home to check it out. I gotta say...even the wooden shipping box is really nice. Unless they drove over it I can't imaging the contents getting too messed up during shipping. Anyway...2 hours later after removing about 450 screws from the top I finally got it out. I'm kidding. It only took about 10 minutes and maybe 15 screws. The pictures of it that are posted are really nice, but in person this dulcimore is exceptional. Bobby's choice of wood and quality of construction are amazing. So after looking it over a few minutes I figured I better try it and see how it sounds. Surprisingly even after shipping it was still pretty much in tune. It is unison tuned and all the strings were tuned just a touch flat of dddd. I have never played a dulcimore with a double melody string or unison tuned. This dulcimore sounds great too. Plays so easily and smoothly. I will try to record and post something soon. After playing a few tunes I wanted to check to see if it fit in a nice case that I had purchased awhile ago for a dulcimer I sold so I could get this one. An almost perfect fit! I am ecstatic. What a great job, Bobby!

So far I have gotten 3 dulcimers from Bobby, a Shoat, a Boss Torc, and now the Honaker. I can't say enough good things about them. They are all wonderfully made and sound great. They also are all different tunings (different keys) so I like that too. Anyone looking to own a quality instrument that not only looks great, but sounds great too certainly would not go wrong with one of Bobby's dulcimores. We went back and forth with how to fret (just intonation, equal, or mean tone), and also what to tune to and Bobby is always ready to talk thru pluses and minuses of different ideas, as well as offer suggestions on what to do. Again, just a great guy to deal with and one I highly recommend.




Review from RP:
I thought I would comment on the Virginian Dulcimore I ordered and received. First off, the shipping was fast and the wood crate duly padded with styro-foam insulation was a surprise. The Dulcimore arrived safe and sound and in top notch condition. Plus, the crate acts as a case......a little glue, some fabric a few hinges and a latch and handle and you have got a dandy case to take wherever you go.

The finish is impeccable, evenly stained and as Dan observed, fiddle quality.......impressive. So far as the build is concerned well done........no kidding, really well done........ and the zither pins work well no complaints there for sure. The staple frets are seated well and even dressed resulting in noter play that is smooth and silky. Finger dancing works even better on this one than many of the others I own due no doubt to the fact that the frets are accurate and exceedingly well made. Did I mention light weight? Perfect here too.

I ordered a moveable bridge and was pleased that it was bone/antler and left high enough so that a custom adjustments could be made. Kuddo's for that Bobby... a few minutes worth of sanding and it is perfect. That said, after a few adjustments the tuning and sustain is spot on and grants plenty of volume too. By the way, a 24" VSL is more than enough so forget about thinking that 26 or 27 is better........24" works out really well.

I guess the only criticism I have would be this......once you start playing the rascally thing it sucks you in and after an hour or two you have to take a break, slam some coffee, barricade yourself in a back room and just plain give up trying to get any sleep since this contraption really makes for short nights and groggy mornings. Buy one, you won't regret it.

In my opinion I would say that it rivals and exceeds most if not all I own that were far more pricier....good job, Ratliff my hat's off to you and your work.



NEWS:

The Virginia Hogfiddle Kit.
I'm currently working on a kit dulcimore. It is loosely based on the Sow Hogfiddle but with the bout moved forward slightly to make bending the sides easier for a beginner.
Specs are:
27-1/2 inch long body.
6 inch wide
2 inch tall sides but on occasion they may be shorter.
1 inch wide fretboard.
Available in 3 string or 4 string unison.
Equal temperament.
Staple holes pre drilled.
Staple frets pre bent.
Button scroll peghead with my old style upright zither pins.
Semi D style tailpiece.
No choice of woods.
Your choice of vsl from 23 to 26 inches.
Fixed nut. Floating bridge.

Customer will have to:
Assemble complete dulcimore including gluing kerfing, soundhole patches, center back strip fretboard, peghead, tailpiece, soundboard, back and sides.
Also make their own soundholes.
Install frets.
Set intonation.

Also, custom order kits can be done but at a higher cost.
I will include links to a video series of me building the first one. Also provide help by email or Skype.
Current pricing Oct. 31 2019 will be $135 shipped for a standard kit.

Friday, May 24, 2019

Old Virginia Dulcimores and Unison Tuning??

I have a theory, sort of, or a bunch of assumptions about the unison tuning and old Virginia Dulcimores.
It might get dangerous around here!

So with a greater interest in traditional Virginia style dulcimores than dulcimores made in surrounding states, a few months ago something started me to thinking. I've been online looking at photos and gathering information from the few books on Dulcimer history since around 2007, but more so within the past year. I suppose deep down I've been hoping to find a dulcimore that was possibly made in my home county of Buchanan or at least close by, but to no avail.

I've also been gathering info for a new dulcimore I'm naming the Virginian. I wanted to find as much info as possible about their length, width, height, vsl, (vibrating string length). In my quest to find this info a couple things began to stand out. The first was the vsl. If you don't include the specs of the dulcimores made famous in the Galax area by the Melton family beginning around 1900, the average vsl of my findings is about 24 inches.
The other interesting thing I realized by accident was the number of strings of the early Virginia dulcimores. The number of strings....... yes, the number of strings. It seems the older the relics the more of them that had 4 strings and as time went on you gradually begin to find more with 3 strings.
Even the earliest dated dulcimore, the John Scales dulcimore, had 4 strings, equally spaced apart on a narrow fretboard.

So you may ask......... why does this interest me??
It shouldn't actually. I find it hard playing in the unison tuning which is sometimes referred to as Galax tuning due to a mild ear problem makes it hard for me to hear what I'm doing. You see, for those that don't know the Melton family began making this tuning famous by winning competitions. Instead of the modal tunings most players use now-a-days which are something like Daa, Dac, Dad, etc., the Melton family made the unison tuning famous and it's tuned dddd across all 4 strings and used a noter to note the two strings closest to them at once. All 4 of those strings are usually strung with around .012 gauge strings but from my research could be from .009 to .013 depending on the vsl. Whereas generic modern dulcimer strings tuned Daa would be strung with .022, .012, .012 and tuned to Dad would be strung .022, .014, .012.

So with those facts in mind, my my friend Dulcimore Dan Cox explained that most of the Kentucky dulcimores he had examined with old, or possibly original string on them used #4 and #8 music wire which are .013 for #4 and .020 for #8. So that gives us a general idea of at least what they were using in Kentucky.

But with info from viewing photos of vintage Virginia dulcimores, all the strings seem to be of equal size. So you may ask.............. can you really tell that from a photo?
An example: on a 24 inch vsl dulcimore tuned Ionian with around 15 pounds tension, the bass string would be around a .023 diameter string with the middle and melody strings being .015 diameter. Yes, I could pretty much tell that in a photo. There is a thought that most of the old dulcimers were likely tuned Cgg instead of Daa, but still, with the dulcimore tuned Cgg that would likely make it just as easy to tell with the bass string being .026 and the middle and melody being .017 diameter assuming the were around 15 pounds tension.

So lets assume for a bit the strings were all the same size. And let's assume the older dulcimers were tuned to what a lot of people think was THE tuning back then........ C. Assuming they were tuned cccc all across the 4 strings and let's say around 12-15 pounds tension, that would give us around .012 to .013 diameter string. I think if you looked at the photos closely you could probably agree those sizes are in the ball park.
But couldn't you tune it to Ionian with those gauges?
Here's where it really helps make my mind up about the unison tuning.
In order to make those 4 strings be tuned in Ionian tuning C you need to tune 3 of those strings to G.
Here's what you get with 4 strings of .013 diameter:
C-4th octave= .013 @ 15# tension at 31% breaking tension. (Meaning it has around 69% before it breaks)
g-4th octave= .013 @ 35# tension at 69% breaking tension. (!!!)
g-4th octave= .013 @ 35# tension at 69% breaking tension.
g-4th octave= .013 @ 35# tension at 69% breaking tension.

So you can see the tension of the strings tuned to G is much too high! So with your noter you would be pressing down 70 pounds of tension on the double melody strings.

Another scenario:
C-4th octave= .013 @ 15# tension at 31% breaking tension. (Meaning it has around 69% before it breaks)
G-3rd octave= .013@ 8# tension at only 17% breaking tension.
G-3rd octave= .013@ 8# tension at only 17% breaking tension.
G-3rd octave= .013@ 8# tension at only 17% breaking tension.

In theory this would be more possible due to the lighter pressure on the two G strings, but I tried it. It is a mess to try and play due to the 3 strings tuned to a 3rd octave G at only 8# being so slack and it's just not enough tension.

Scenario 3:
C- 4th octave= .015@ 20# tension at 31% breaking tension.
G- 3rd octave= .015@ 12# tension at only 18% breaking tension.
G- 3rd octave= .015@ 12# tension at only 18% breaking tension.
G- 3rd octave= .015@ 12# tension at only 18% breaking tension.

Scenario 3 would be the most likely and logical scenario if they tried using one string diameter over all 4 strings tuned in an Ionian tuning. A .015 or .016 diameter string would be more of a middle ground size to cover both C and G, even though it puts the C at a higher octave than the 3 G strings which makes it kinda out of line with our way of thinking today, which would most of the time put the lower ocatve on the bass string  and the higher octave on the middle and melody strings.

So why would they even use the same size string on all 4 strings?
It could be a couple things-
(1) availability. Was it because the early times of development of the country not having stores which supplied multiple sizes of music wire or wire in general?
We know music wire was around then. But I suppose it was a item used for hardware supplies more than music instruments. Even today you can't readily buy any kind of music instrument strings in the county I live in. I suspect back then they simply went to a hardware store and bought some music wire that most people just used to hang pictures or used for general use around the farm and strung a dulcimore with it. Likely the hardware store did not stock several sizes either. So because of availability they were forced to find a tuning they could play with one size wire.
(2) Tradition. I also figure that more than likely this tuning had been passed down from kin folk that had used it on their dulcimores or the  ancestor to the dulcimores...... zithers and such, and they kept using it until the lack of popularity rooted it out.
(3) Maybe it was a little or a lot of both the reasons mentioned above. But after much debate with myself I think it's more so along the lines of the second reason. It would not have been impossible for the builders or owners to order a spool of music wire in the correct diameter they needed and it would likely last for years for personal use. Which raises another question: If they could order wire why not just order two correct sizes if they used modal tunings? We will likely never know if that's the case, but I still think it's a traditional tuning passed down from long before the Melton family made it famous.

As I said in the first sentence............ it's just a theory based on a bunch of assumptions. But I believe the unison tuning was played throughout early dulcimore history right along side the modal tunings, or it's very possible, it was the earliest tuning at least in Virginia and what is now southern West Virginia. I have absolutely no way of proving this. But I honestly think the Melton family did not invent unison tuning. But more likely they were playing in a tuning that had been around 75 years or longer when they made it famous.

This is not a jab at the Meltons or a jab at anyone who believes or thinks otherwise. It's just a theory from the little evidence I've come across.

Edit: 6/8/2019- Recently another clue has come to light. I have been playing my new unison tuned dulcimore often and I noticed something. 14 frets, as a lot of vintage dulcimores from surrounding areas had, would not be sufficient for playing some tunes on the higher octave of the fretboard. So my new research is concentrating on how many frets the vintage Virginia dulcimores had.
With very little research I'm finding a lot of 4 string equidistant string spacing Virginia examples having 15, 16 and 17 frets.
I think this is more proof that unison tuning was around since the beginning of the Virginia dulcimore.
I will continue my quest to prove my theory.